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| Salvatore Aparo Source: Gang Land News |
Topics of discussion included the crew formerly headed by Matthew 'Matty the Horse' Ianniello and the need for the Genovese Family to replace its deceased members.
Aparo stated Ianniello's crew was split up and led at various times by James Ida, his brother Joseph Ida, and Ciro Perrone.
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| Matthew Ianniello |
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| L to R: Joseph Ida, James Ida, Ciro Perrone |
A brief audio snippet of this conversation is available here.
Below is a mostly accurate, but not perfect, transcription:
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[Note: (UI) = Unintelligible]
D'Urso: You know who Vito's brother brought up? Ciro [Perrone]. He says, he says, uh, "I was with a guy Ciro my father was friends with from Howard Beach". He said, "I went down there he's got all kinds of antiques and shit." I said that was the guy my, Sammy was telling me about.
Aparo: (UI).
D: I says, you know, tell him, I says --
A: (UI) place.
D: Right. And, uh, said he was a good guy, he was friends uh, with the father --
A: Yeah, Ciro's a good, nice guy.
D: He's with us too?
A: Yeah. Captain.
D: There's so many fuckin guys --
A: Captain.
D: Skipper? All these guys and you never fuckin even know.
A: Yeah they made him a skipper. When they broke it up, Joey Ida and him. They gave him some guys and Joey Ida got some. They made him a skipper.
D: This was recently?
A: Well it was a while back when Jimmy got pinched.
D: Oh, so they, they took over them, then.
A: Yeah. Well --
D: Did Joey and Jimmy get along?
A: Yeah. But that was all Matty the Horse [Ianniello]'s crew. All of that. He was away. Jimmy had a half of it. Then Jimmy got used as part of the Family, Consigliere, whatever it was, you know, so he gave for his brother.
D: Right.
A: Then after when he got in trouble, Matty came back into the picture, and they broke it up, and they gave Ciro some. You know, so I don't know who's with who.
D: Bet you them crews are strong.
A: Well, they're --
D: They have (all their?) guys.
A: Yeah, but --
D: Shouldn't you be able to just replace guys soon as they die?
A: You're supposed to.
D: I mean you don't have to go --
A: You're supposed to. You're supposed to. That was the rule, that was the rule. This way, you always stay with your amount.
D: Right.
A: A guy dies you replace him. That was the rule. But they haven't done it.
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By the following Spring inductions had resumed, with Aparo's son Vincent among the new members.
